James Madison, News Sandwich, and Value for Value in the Podosphere

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Blair and Martin in the Secular Foxhole.

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Today is episode 44, and Martin and I are

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going to do our own show, and I want

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to send a hero of mine, James Madison.

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Th his birthday is March 16.

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He was born in 1751, and he is a hero

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of mine because he wrote much of the founding document.

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He wrote several of the federal papers.

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Federalist papers.

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And he wrote something that we will link to

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in the show notes called Memorial and remonstrance.

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Remonstrance means protest.

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That's a loose meaning about at the time this was 1785.

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They were debating.

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They had a bill in the Virginia Congress that

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they wanted to pay teachers of the Christian faith.

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And so he, being a man of reason, he opposed that.

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And so he started writing editorials against that bill.

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And then it's called Memorial

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and remonstrance against religious assessments.

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And this was June 21, 1785,

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when these started to be published.

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And I just think that for those of us

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interested in the separation of Church and state or

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religion and state, as Martin and I are, that

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this particular document should be front and center.

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And along with although John Locke, his letters

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of toleration are very good, his mistake was

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that he speaks out against atheists.

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But otherwise, I think even Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance

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is loosely based on some of that work from

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Locke, although I'm not 100% certain that's true.

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And I wanted to give a couple of

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quotes from Madison himself during that time.

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And here, religious bondage shackles and debilitates the

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mind and unfits it for every Noble enterprise.

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I mean, what did Ayn Rand say

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faith and force are corollaries.

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So there's two reason and freedom.

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And let's do another one.

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Strongly guarded, as is the separation

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between religion and government in the

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Constitution of the United States.

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The danger of encroachment by ecclesiastical

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bodies may be illustrated by precedents

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already furnished in their short history.

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Well, of course, today we have a cabinet

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level office of the faith based initiative.

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So this is how far we've sunk as a country.

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And the Conservatives now have.

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While the founders prohibited a litmus

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test, today's Conservatives virtually demand one,

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especially over the issue of abortion. Let's see here.

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Let's do another one.

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And I have no doubt that every new example

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will succeed, as every past one has done, in

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showing that religion and government will both exist in

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greater purity the less they are mixed together.

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Again, man ahead of his time, so to speak.

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Martin, how are you doing today? I'm doing fine.

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And I will have a question to you, but

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you had another quote that you wanted to take. Right?

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I think let me look around.

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I can always do another one. Yeah.

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Let's see.

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Anyhow no religious test shall ever be

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required as a qualification to any office

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or public trust under the United States.

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This was James Madison in 1836.

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Oh, that's a good one.

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Now, because we will talk more about how it's going

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with our show and our so called ad hoc campaign.

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I mean, we could put it out here in the

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universe because we have some planning, some things in place.

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And now I have a sip of tea. Cheers. Go for it.

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Cheers for me.

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We talked about that in

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other episode, what's real money?

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And we could talk about the Fiat money and the coins,

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but some coins could be in gold and silver and that's

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real money, but it's stating there in God we Trust.

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And I think that shouldn't be on

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the money because it's a symbolic thing.

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So when you say this, could we rally around this?

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Because when I searched for this and when you

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said Madison here and you had Jefferson and some

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others that didn't put the label on themselves, but

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after that, the whole list is Christian, and then

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you have different versions of it.

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But if you go to Wikipedia, where religious

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affiliations of presidents of the United States and

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in other countries, you don't talk about it,

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you could have your personal belief.

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But in America it's very important, so to speak.

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It seems too, and even that they have this

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separation between Church and state or Church and religion.

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And it's a private and personal matter. Right.

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Well, I used to guess talking about Thomas Paine

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and having a statue for him and so on.

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It used to be, but even back in the day they had

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to say which belief system they had publicly, so to speak.

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Then, of course, it was some debate about it

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and so on, but they had to do that.

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So it's something that I'm thinking about.

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Why is that the case?

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And you said this about the litmus

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test, especially with the conservative Republicans, and

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that's why I think other alternatives then

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they don't focus on that at all.

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What I know about.

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But then you could have another you

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could believe in other things also.

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But that's for another maybe episode.

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But it was some reflection for that, these

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quotes about religion that you did very good.

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And then a PBS show that talked about God in

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America and James Madison, because wasn't that the case, that

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we have to see it in the context also?

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This was a long time ago that he had

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his personal beliefs and he didn't want to talk

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so much about it, but when he did, he

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did it very straightforward, if I remember correctly.

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Yes.

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But I mean, back then, since they were influenced

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by the Enlightenment era, that the fading embers of

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the Enlightenment, they realized they know enough, regardless of

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their personal beliefs, what would be good for every

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human being or every American, and that is to

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leave everyone free to and in many ways I

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wish they went deeper than freedom of religion.

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I wish they would have emphasized

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the freedom of conscience or conscience.

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Yes.

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We have talked about guests about that, and I

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think that it's a good step to take the

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first, but then the other one, it could be

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a bit may be complicated and difficult to grasp

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and understand in a way, but it's important role.

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And that's why this sliding door, what you call open

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door or not the shutdoor or the wall between religion

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and state and especially with presidents like Ronald Reagan and

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others really open it up for religious right.

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We should be in a way see positive signs also.

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Now we can't call themselves so called moral

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majority because they are not majority any longer.

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And I see as a positive sign, very positive sign.

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But then, of course, it's depending on what

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are you believing instead, but that's it's not

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a question we could talk about. Great.

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We should commemorate him.

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And do you have any suggestions on like because

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I link to the Library of Congress also, do

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you have any suggestion of literature, books, certainly, yeah.

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The Federalist Papers, for sure.

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But certainly those three things, I think the

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Memorial and Remonstrance article on Founders archives. Gov.

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And then the Federalist Papers.

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And of course, the name of

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his estate escapes me in Virginia.

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When we find that out, we can link that as well.

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So, yeah, those three or four

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things I think would suffice.

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But otherwise, again, his birthday is March 16.

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He was born in 1751, passed away, sadly, in 1836.

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So is that 85?

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Pretty good.

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But again, he's one of my

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personal favorites of the founders.

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And I'm leaning also towards Hamilton after talking

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to Richard Salsman and one or two others. Yeah.

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They're all great men. Yeah.

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And it could happen again.

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But it's some work to do. Yes.

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There's a lot of work to do.

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But the groundwork was laid by Ms.

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Rand, so. Correct.

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That's the key.

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And what else were we going to do?

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We were going to do a new sandwich, I think.

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And always a head tip to Amy Peikoff for that idea. Yes.

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And I want to talk about this story

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came out in October of last year, Blue

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Origin, which is Jeff Bezos private space venture.

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The headline is Blue Origin and Sierra Space.

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Developing Commercial Space Station New Orbital

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Destination Opens Up Space for Business

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and Travel, Creating New Ecosystem.

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This article goes on to explain that these two

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companies, Blue Origin and Sierra Space, they announced plans

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for Orbital Reef, a commercially developed, owned and operated

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space station to be built in low Earth orbit.

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The station will open the next chapter

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of human space exploration and development by

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facilitating the growth of a vibrant ecosystem

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and business model for the future.

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I mean, I could go on, but that's pretty good.

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And this article that we'll link to has great

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photos of the proposed way it'll look like.

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So I think that's certainly the

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good part of our new sandwich.

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And it's a beautiful rendering of the station

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right at the top of the page.

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And what was my other keeping in line with people

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that apparently love to be hated, along with Jeff Bezos

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or Bezos Elon Musk and his Starlink system that's being

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added to Daily, I believe, as far as the links

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or the satellites being placed in outer space orbit for

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Internet and many other capabilities.

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So again, he's bypassing the go ahead. Yeah.

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Could our show and listen in outer space in the future?

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I would think so.

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I would think so.

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I want to be the first guy to

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go up there and broadcast it from space. How's that?

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If I live long enough.

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But anyway, Starlink, although I think the initial cost

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is fairly steep, I'm sure that will go down

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as if the market is allowed to operate.

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That will reduce over time for

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the middle class and so on.

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I think it's like $500 initially to get the equipment.

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Okay. Yeah.

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And then there's a monthly probably a monthly fee after

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that, which I do not know how much that is,

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but I'll look into that and get a link and

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we can add that to show notes.

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So there's a couple of good things and then I want to

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the partial bad news, and I'm sure you'll have your own.

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But here in America, at least, the backlash against

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the Bezos launch with William Shatner and things like

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that and Elon Musk and Richard Branson is, of

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course, our Hollywood celebrities, or at least a few

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of them have complained about why aren't you spending

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that money on the poor and things like that?

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The typical you could do as a certain position.

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You could tax the rich and sell a T shirt.

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She has her own T shirt shop.

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What she does with the money she gets from

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the T shirt, she buys her own clothes that

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are very expensive and high heel shoes and things.

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But then something I'm disappointed in, Ford Motor

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Company itself, along with Lincoln Mercury, have come

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out denouncing these renegade billionaires get the picture.

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That was the same thing with horse and buggy.

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When Ford and others come up with inventions,

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they don't even know their own history now. No.

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I have to learn from history and they could complain whatever

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I want to do, but I'm free to do it.

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Then we could discuss other things that

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maybe in times of today, what's going

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on, what you should focus on, maybe.

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But entrepreneurs could do whatever they do and

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it will then so called trickle down.

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Maybe it's not the correct word for it, but

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we will benefit for it in different ways. Absolutely.

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I definitely think they should go along.

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And people could, of course, have their opinion.

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And it's often a symbolic thing, and

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PR always how to say spin doctors.

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That doing their thing. Sure. Yes.

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But as far as I'm concerned, those

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three men are benefiting the human race.

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They're offering a value for value, which is

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something that you and I have been talking

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about yeah, that's a good segue.

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Talking about Segway.

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I don't know what's happened with that one.

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That was the thing that would revolutionize everything.

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It's a mobile thing, but Segway.

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But it's spelled in a different way.

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But that's a good segue.

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It's a value for value.

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We could talk a little about that.

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What's it value and what's it worth to

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listen to things that you're digging up?

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Good news and some not so good news.

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But together we are ending on a positive note

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and also inviting guests that have their knowledge and

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share to listeners and to ourselves, of course, and

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giving intellectual ammunition and fuel for ourselves and spirits,

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and also a freely, voluntarily exchange of ideas.

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For example, you mentioned Rand when she went

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to Ford Hall forum that I think was

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open to the public, so to speak.

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But of course they had some kind of donation box

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or how you could support if you valued talk and

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the information and giving you a boost with that and

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you do it for the long run.

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So that's what we are doing.

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So we will be open and talk about a little

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bit about downloads and where we are, where people are

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listening and so on and how you can support because

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we not take for granted, because we never do that.

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But this call to action.

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But we don't want to write anything on how to say on

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nose or on the forehead or we don't want to beg either.

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We don't want to have any sacrifice.

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But if you see this as a value in

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one way or another, then you could act accordingly.

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And that could be, for example, suggested to

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a friend to listen to our show.

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It could be that you follow our podcast

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with our own standalone app, for example, that

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we are paying money for every month.

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Also that you join our new digital town

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hall and speaking up your mind or sharing

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some good stuff that we have.

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And everything of this is in the show notes.

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But I wanted to come back then a

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bit about value for value because I think

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it's accordingly to the trader principle in action.

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So if somebody listens, we have maybe some kind

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of value that we think our time, our energy

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and also cost to running this show.

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I mean, it's not like a big

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studio, big TV network or radio network.

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We could do it in a pretty simple

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way, but still it's cost involved, right?

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Yes, there is some cost.

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We will be happy to cover this in one way or another.

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And we thank every entrepreneurs and businessmen

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and others that create these tools so

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we could reach out here. Absolutely.

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People and thinking individuals could listen to us.

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Because if I would say, for example, you said BS

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and Amazon, if somebody would say could I read that

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book of Madison, nobody would say is it for free? Right?

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Right.

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They want to pay for it.

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Then of course they could have special deals.

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We could tell that to the audience.

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Also we have had the privilege to get like

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review copies of books and other things like that.

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And we thank the authors and publishers for that.

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But it's marketing them also.

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It could be priceless to be on our show.

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We know we are very realistic, we are small,

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but we have our niche, I believe so.

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We have been very thankful for the constructive

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feedback and positive comments and so on.

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Some of it we are sharing privately and

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shares with that gave us a boost.

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Sometimes we get it publicly also in different

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ways on social media and so on.

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But then you could say that what kind of value is it?

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And then now with the new, you could say

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development of podcasting or the podosphere where we know

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the bloggers where blogging system that have evolved.

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And now you could if you want, if you listen and

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also fellow podcasters, you could download a new podcast app.

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And we will try to get our own standalone

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app working with that also in the future.

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But that's depending on the programmers and the

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developers there, if they see it as potential.

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But something called if you do the hashtag new

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podcast apps or go to Podcast index.org and search

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for these apps where you have Podcasting 2.0 initiative.

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And with these apps you could

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find all kinds of interesting features.

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It could be transcript, it could

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be timestape stamps and so on.

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And it's working with this RSS Rich

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Site Summary or Really Simple Syndication.

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So people who develop new apps could put

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things into this RSS feed that could make

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it possible to for example, then stream Satoshis.

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Satoshi is a small tiny part of Bitcoin.

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So then you can decide when you're

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listening to us using Podcasting 2.0 app.

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But I want to boost what Martin

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and Blair are saying right now.

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I like very much, I want to send

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like hundreds of satoshis and that's like a

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couple of cents or something like that.

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Or you could decide every minute I listen to this interview

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with the guests for an hour, you could say I want

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to stream so and so many satoshis per minute.

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It's an active choice to do that.

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You have to of course hook up with a wallet

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that we talked with another guest, how that's working?

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And that's including and then you have to add

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funds with Fiat money in order to get bitcoins.

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And this will take time because to be

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realistic of 4 million apps or podcasts out

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there, that Podcasting indexes stating it's like maybe

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4000 podcasts that are having this possibility opportunity

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to support them with value for value.

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So it's a small number right now, but I see that for

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the long range and we could take it for another aspect.

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Also this could be like power and support for

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indie podcasters and this freedom of expression, right?

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So that's important to do.

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So we will talk more and more about this.

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But if you go to the Show Notes where you could

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find some links and some instructions and you're welcome to reach

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out to us and ask how could I do?

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But I could mention, for example, one

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example, one app called Fountain App.

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So there is one app that you

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could download to your smartphone, Fountain app. Okay.

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I included that in Show Notes also.

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And if you want to use in a web

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browser, in a Chrome browser, like a plug in,

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then you could use an app called Pod Station.

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I think I've heard of that one, actually.

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Yeah, that's two examples there.

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So do you have any thoughts

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comments or ideas about that there?

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Well, we should tip our hat to Captivate

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also, Martin, because I'm glad you discovered them.

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And we market our podcast through

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Captivate and we send it out.

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And when we post our podcast on various places like

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Facebook and what have you, once the listener opens that

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podcast up and looks at the page at the bottom,

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they'll see the Donate tab where they could donate any

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amount that they wished have people doing that via Patreon

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as it is now, it's for my account and also

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it's Buy me a coffee.

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What we have Buymecoffee.com lyceum and we'll

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have it for the show also.

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But that's great to have that call to action

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in the player, like a reminder, a friendly nudge

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and reminder because we take this call to actiion. Yeah.

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We're very selfishly asking for if you think you've

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gained a value or benefit from listening to our

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shows and you can afford it, consider donating whatever

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amount you feel you can give or invest or

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thinking like for example, one of our returning guests,

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it would be an investment. Yeah. Yeah.

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Andy Clarkson did, he sent some then buy me a coffee as me as a tea drinker.

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And I drink coffee also, but donated three teas to me

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and it's like $5 and I will play around with this.

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And then for the show also, we could set up

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like you could do it on a regular basis.

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It's working with our tech and with our equipment.

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But if we had funds, then we could

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invest in equipment and other things also it

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could sound even better and all the possibilities.

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I mean, we have been talking about live streaming and

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video and all kinds of things and also to be

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secure in the future, to have backups and so on.

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And there it was, one example that on Podcast

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Index.org called Tally Coin or something like that.

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And I've sent him a tweet and asked if

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we could embed that widget on your upcoming

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site because then you could decide if you want

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to send donations through dollars or Euros or whatever

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and that will then turn into Bitcoins and Satoshis.

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And then it could be openly if

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you have a goal or a project.

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For example, I sent you an email with

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an example of somebody that needed to get

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like a refurbished computer for podcasting.

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And then they saw the good goal and how they

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reached and people could make comments and thanks for your

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support and thanks for your work and so on.

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So that's something we could look into in the future.

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But we know also the challenge is to

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do it because people are busy, people have

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their lives to do and achieve their values.

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But we will continue with our friendly

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reminder about exactly and talking about that.

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We will talk about you said to captivate

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the hosting company here on their analytics page.

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Yes, I'd like to look for that.

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I mean, I saw those numbers.

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It's kind of neat.

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So I will tell about that since

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we last then talked about it.

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Yes, please do a show.

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So all the time it's about 2200.

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You could say unique listeners and they

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have an algorithm to look at that.

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According to an international advertising Bureau standard, they could

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calculate it or they could just say measure

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it when it's download, it's a download.

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It has to be a certain amount

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of time and in a certain way.

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So they get rid of the bots and get rid

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of if it's some mistake or something like that.

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But of course, you have to always

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take it with the grain of salt.

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I mean, our show is to if we

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find one individual, one thinking individual, that listen

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to us, we are happy, right?

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Yes, true.

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That's the thing.

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And then in total, it's like over 4000

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downloads so far, massive cheering compared with other

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things like radio networks and others.

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Maybe it doesn't sound a lot, but if

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you think about it, it will gather like

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2000 unique listeners to our digital town hall.

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But it will be a physical town hall, like

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in Boston, for example, at Fordhall Forum.

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That will be pretty impressive, right?

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Well, it would be, yes.

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So when it comes down to our

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and the trend is your friend.

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So the download average per day is right now nine.

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But of course, when we publish

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an episode, I could see already

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automatically because people are now subscribing.

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But now we are calling it following, because if you

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say subscribe, you pay to it for it, right? Okay.

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But it's free to subscribe or follow us.

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But then we know that we have a certain amount

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of subscribers or followers that have it in their application.

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So they get a notification.

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Now it's a new episode and then you

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have this average about around nine every day.

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And my goal is to have like a zero behind

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that and then another zero, et cetera, et cetera, that

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will take time, but it's every new individual will take

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an active choice and then the individuals will listen.

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But if you ask a friend, send a link,

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whatever, if you think it's a value and you

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think somebody would appreciate it, so do you want

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to hear a little about the stats?

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Yes, about just the list of the top ten countries. Yeah.

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So last month and around 28 days, because you have to see

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it in a rolling like the trend, because it could be peaks

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and it could be up and down and so on.

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But the latest 28 days is pretty interesting.

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So there I have some ideas

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about how we could market there.

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We have United States of America, number one,

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and then it's Sweden for some reason.

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And then Australia.

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It could be guests, it could be others. Right.

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Netherlands. That's interesting.

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We have to figure out the

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Netherlands and then United Kingdom.

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And there you have we know some of we had

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been spotlighted on captivate like one of the show at

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the month that they spotlighted us, highlighted us.

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So maybe some of the hosting company or

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some fellow podcasters or customers listen to us.

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And then you have, of course, Canada.

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That's pretty natural.

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And then India for a reason.

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But we know that India is big market and we

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have some ideas how we could reach out to more

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Indians in the future, maybe have a specific episode on

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how it would be a secular individual in India and

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then Germany and then Switzerland and then Uruguay.

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That's interesting.

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Could that be with South America with Objectivism?

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Because when we had Randsday, for example, in February,

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when I searched on that hashtag, it was lots

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of action and tweets in South America. Yeah.

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They are growing down there. They are.

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That's a pretty diverse list of countries. It is.

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But in total, all time, I will not go through every 70.

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But since last time, I think it was

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around 50, I think now it's 70 countries.

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They downloaded a show of 197 or 195 or 193.

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Yes, 197, I think is the total number

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of countries on the Earth on the globe.

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And we talked about one country that is now not

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in this 193, but the country is Taiwan, for example.

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So where we have some listeners, three listeners there.

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Yeah.

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But the top ten there, you could

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say all time is still United States.

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And then it's India in total.

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And then Sweden and Canada,

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United Kingdom, Australia, Netherlands, Norway.

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So my fellow great.

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And then Uruguay and then Switzerland.

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Then we have all kinds of

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interesting countries here in the list. So there I see.

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It's great to see that.

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Yes, it's wonderful around the globe,

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but we have more countries, too.

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And again, depending on where we are.

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But we could see that there's an information.

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And if you have any question about that,

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of course we are having it in English.

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And that's a benefit or an advantage in one way, right?

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Yes, but we have some ideas now we're

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talking about costs and also a value because

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I got that request from somebody.

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How about transcripts and how to if you want,

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maybe you have hearing challenges or you want to

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read at the same time as you're listening now,

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you could do that thanks to Veed.io

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that I'm using and that

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takes some time, energy also.

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But it's interesting how it very accurate and then

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you have that as a material for the future,

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Blair, for your future blog posts and so on.

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But for information, it's like that service, but testing out

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it's $30 per month to use that kind of service.

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So I see potential with transcript

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because that search engine optimization.

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You could also use this service.

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Now we are listening, but we could use

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the download or episode and then transfer it.

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How did you say to video with, for example, our

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artwork and then having it like subtitles or translated in,

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for example, one of the languages in India?

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There is very interesting things.

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And then it comes to play to maybe have some backup

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to have that video at places like Odyssey and a hat

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tip to Jack Spirko what you told me about Jack Spirko.

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Yes.

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He's recently had Adam Curry as a guest.

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We could include that in the show notes.

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Also if you want to learn more about podcasting 2.0 and

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with freedom of expression and also how to prep in today's

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world and also, as Adam said, to find your niche and

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find your yeah, I think we should put that in there.

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We should put that in the show now.

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But that's all I've got there, buddy. Yeah. Same.

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Thanks, Blair, for this episode.

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And yeah, we will celebrate and commemorate Madison here

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and looking forward to feedback and comments and what

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you share with good word, spreading the good word.

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And then the call to action is to check out

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the show notes and then join our digital town hall.

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Sure. Yeah. All right, sir.

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I called it a wrap. Yeah. Thanks, Blair. Cheers.